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JohnnyD

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Mon, 18th June 2012, 11:15am - updated - Mon, 18th June 2012, 11:15am

 

Road injuries rise as two-wheel transport in firing line

Canberra Times June 18, 2012

Serious life-threatening road injuries have risen including a growing number of middle-aged men on motorbikes and bicycles.

Off-road accidents for young people on two wheels accounted for as many hospitalisations as accidents in traffic during this period.

The report, Trends in Serious Injury due to Land Transport Accidents, Australia, 2000-2001 to 2008-2009, shows crashes per 100,000 of population increased annually by 1.6 per cent, on average, during these nine years.

In the last year of the survey, more than 34,000 people were admitted to hospital as a result of an accident.

About half were car occupants, about a quarter were motorcyclists and about 15 per cent were cyclists.

More people travelling more often was partly due to  the increased rate of serious injuries . The number of people using motorbikes, which is a much riskier form of travel, had also grown.

It was not known why deaths had dropped from 1761 to 1543 in the nine-year period, while serious injuries had risen. It was possible that improved medical ability to keep people alive was a contributing factor.

More than a quarter of the people seriously hurt in road traffic crashes sustained life-threatening injuries, with those aged 15 to 24 most at risk.

The rates of these very serious injuries increased more steeply for motorbike riders and bicyclists than for occupants of motor vehicles - by about 6.8 per cent per year during this period.

''The rise was still sharper for cases involving males aged 45-64 years as motorcyclists [14.7 per cent] and pedal cyclists [14 per cent],'' Professor Harrison said.

In 2000-01, there were 1072 people on motorbikes who experienced life-threatening injuries and this almost doubled to 1959 in 2008-09.


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twoandtwo

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Tue, 19th June 2012, 9:05am

Mornign JohnnyD,

Any particular motive for posting this? Do you have an opinion on motobrike riding or motorbike riders?

Personally it's not for me, I've never been one for taking risks...


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JohnnyD

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Tue, 19th June 2012, 1:48pm

2&2 - of course I had a motive in posting it! I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't, would I? smiley-smile.gif

 

Yes! I'm concerned about the statsitics of older male riders suffering injuries (or worse) and I wonder if this is related to some slowing of visual or reflex activity and whether or not testing for older riders should be more structured and regular?

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twoandtwo

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Tue, 19th June 2012, 2:26pm

Couldn't agree more. You can be the most skilled and experienced rider in Australia, but if someone pulls out who can't see you and your reaction speed is that little bit too slow, well... yep you know where I'm going.

 

Still, it's a hard one, I can't imainge all the tens of thousands of motorbike riders are going to be too impressed if we make it harder for them. Call of 'nanny state' will erupt. It will sit as one of these things where people are taking their own health in their own hands and their risk, such as smoking, drinking, base jumping etc


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Fab

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Tue, 19th June 2012, 2:51pm

Must admit I'm not that comfortable riding a pushbike like I used to be, especially in traffic.

Seems I cant turn my head 180 degrees and look behind in a millisecond anymore or are cars going faster today, always getting yelled at for being on their road.

Even on park bicycle tracks dogs seem to cut me off or attack me.

Might give it away

 


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JohnnyD

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Tue, 19th June 2012, 4:16pm - updated - Tue, 19th June 2012, 4:17pm

I don't think it needs to be 'nanny state' re-active.

Perhaps if we put a power-to age-ratio restriction that can be bypassed by completing a specific riding course and a rigid physical it may take on some 'elite' status and encourage older riders towards a more defensive style of riding?

Another action might be to turn on the accident investigative focus to include the drivers instead of saying "Oh! Just another motor cycle accident!" For example, we already know that younger drivers are high risk takers and tend to be more impulsive and have a 'bullet-proof mentality' - maybe a better breakdown of the driver statistics'  for four wheel-v-two wheel incidents (4W-v-2W)? Couple that with a more complete enalysis of the 'cause and effect' scenario could shift emphasis onto driver education and/or driver penalties for 4W-v-2W  incidents?

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Ken_67

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Tue, 19th June 2012, 4:44pm

I think one of the factors could be that a greater number are trying to economise by using a bike or a cycle, and are jumping into heavy traffic without adequate experience. I think, also, with the increase of motor bikes and cycles taking space on the roads, a lot of drivers are more intollerant, and less wary of the riders. I've done a lot of city driving over the years, and seen a lot of responsible drivers and riders, but I have also seen a lot of stupid and dangerous interaction on both sides

@ JohnnyD. I don't think it is so much power-to-age ratio restrictions that is needed; more power-to-experience ratio restrictions. Just my opinion.

Ken

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JohnnyD

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Tue, 19th June 2012, 5:29pm - updated - Tue, 19th June 2012, 5:30pm

Ken, I thought about the f=PtE  but want to know how you would measure experience - not by time owning a more powerful  bike. Maybe if you could find some way of measuring hours riding experience then that might work.

That's why I settled on f=PtA 'cos that way we could say "NO! You cannot own a 1,000cc motorcycle straight up! You have to work your way up from a 150cc class and be assessed before adding another 100cc!"

I know, that's got weaknesses as well, insofar as 50cc engines are used on speedway bikes and they are ridden (mostly) with one foot in the dirt keeping the rider upright! smiley-wink.gif

At least on the f=PtA we can limit many riders going out there on 2 wheel Brutes straight up! I mean, have you ever trie picking up a Harley AMF H-D Electra Glide?

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Thu, 21st June 2012, 5:24pm

Good'ay. I ride a bike and have done most of my life. This is one of the reasons why - read the research at http://www.roadrider.com.au/_blog/Road_Rider_Blog/calendar/2012/2/

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Mon, 16th July 2012, 10:32pm

Hi All,  I've only been on two wheels for just over a year, but I have been driving for 30+. Anyway, I have noticed that a majority (80%) of my near-accidents & 1 actual, were causes by P-platers.  There are more of them on the road these days- they don't need to look or indicate & they are apparently all invincible.

Just speaking from experience.

Cheers,
Jeff


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Tue, 17th July 2012, 6:43am

Hi,

Having ridden both motor bikes and bicycles for most of my life, I would like to say that I had accidents when I was young and am still having accidents now that I am old. The Australian population when I was much younger (can't remember the actual year) was around 10-12 million. Now its around 25 million, rising at a great rate due to certain migratory issues (nothing like the whales going north either).

I also have had motor vehicle accidents both young and old. Going on the number increase of the population, it should mean that we are having twice the number of accidents now? Then taking into account that nearly everyone these days owns either a pushbike, a motorbike or a motor vehicle or all, and the number of large 4x4 vehicles on the road (not on the beach or bush track), then of course, numbers should rise.

I going now.

Bob


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Tue, 17th July 2012, 8:59am

The stats speak fo themselves but they can be used to make things look beter or worse.

ie 10% of the victims ate cornflakes within 4 hours of an accident.

I ride a Suzuki Boulevard (Harley look alike) and a mountain bike and a Rat Fink Cruiser pushie. I also have a red car and a yellow car and a Motorhome and a box trailer.  I mentioned all these because many car drivers get pinged off because they say bicycle riders do not pay rego,  so that is fine by me they can pay my regos. I do not know any adult cyclist who does not pay rego.

These pinged off drivers seem to want to scare cyclists off the road by how close they come to you and I was even hit once by a taxi's wing mirror which folded in with a bang but he did not stop.

Motorcycle safety is another issue, if there were no motorcycles and someone wanted to put them on the road they would be declared not safe enough for public roads. And rightly so.  But that said they are legal and fun,  if you are not a rider just imagine steering your car by leaning, maybe going up a windy mountain road and just leaning to go around the bends - no steering wheel just lean.

I try to avoid peak hour traffic, night riding and riding in the wet.  If you check the stats you will see it increases my chances a lot. The one vehicle motorcycle accident is mostly the riders fault going too fast for the conditions.  LAMs is Learner Approved Motorcycles and there is a list on the net and it is power to weight ratioed.  It is even more dangerous if you cannot keep up with the traffic because of all the vehicles who overtake (carelessly or purposely)

Older riders who have not ridden for years take a while to settle in and if they have to get a new licence LAMS applies (I think - not sure tho) for the first year.

Most recreational riders go somewhere in a group have a cup coffee and then go home. Lean steer is fun but trouble starts when someone wants to show off etc. another problem is on borrowed bikes.

cheers Col

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tue, 17th July 2012, 9:11am

(I know, that's got weaknesses as well, insofar as 50cc engines are used on speedway bikes and they are ridden (mostly) with one foot in the dirt keeping the rider upright!)

 

That would be 500cc machines, a very specialised part of the sport.


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PeeKay

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Tue, 17th July 2012, 9:29am

Given the choice between something safe like bingo ------------ Well it is good to get out there and enjoy the world around us, even as you get older, you can take risks but also reduce your exposure to the unnecessary risks. Bike riding can be managed relatively safely.


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Sat, 22nd December 2012, 7:50pm

JohnnyD writes
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2&2 - of course I had a motive in posting it! I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't, would I? smiley-smile.gif

 

Yes! I'm concerned about the statsitics of older male riders suffering injuries (or worse) and I wonder if this is related to some slowing of visual or reflex activity and whether or not testing for older riders should be more structured and regular?

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Yes i can understand your your concern with the statistics

But is there a statistic showing how many new older riders coming into ,or back into riding,I hadn't  rode abike since i was in my 20s now close to 50s but been back riding for 6 yr or more . ride to your ability not statistics. THATS ALL

 

 

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Mon, 24th December 2012, 10:28am

The stats above don't appear to compare the actual increase in the number of older riders with the number of injured older riders... seems obvious there will be an increase in injuries with more and more older people riding nowadays.

A few mates went to Phillip island this year and said it looked like a geriatrics party... most of the bike riders looked to be over 60, many nearer 70.

One of the biggest problems we have out this way is riders (pushbike and motor) riding two-abreast on country roads... a driver will come around a bend doing 90-100 kph only to find two pushbikes in the middle of the road doing about 10 kph. If riders kept to the left and rode single-file it wouldn’t be so dangerous.


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Sun, 6th January 2013, 3:54pm

Always a subject guaranteed to generate some heat. Look at the MRA website discussions.

I do an occasional trip of a few hundred K's, but most of my riding is around metro Melbourne. Having returned to riding about 7 years ago & since owned several bikes in the 250-650cc range I came to the conclusion that for me it was not fun riding a quick bike with so much speed surveillance around. As a result I switched back to a 250 single last year & riding has become enjoyable for me once again.

I don't suggest anyone else should do this as what we all ride is so subjective, & changeable.

Make sure we have a loud exhaust, loud horn, keep our wits about us, eyes in the back of our heads and try to avoid the other road users.


'The fact that we live at the bottom of a gravity well, on the surface of a gas-covered planet going around a nuclear fireball ninety million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.' -- Douglas Adams

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Sun, 6th January 2013, 5:56pm - updated - Sun, 6th January 2013, 5:58pm

Hello Mori it all sounded sensible unitl I read the loud exhaust.  I was an environment inspector and I have done a squillion noise tests so I can't get enthused by loud exhausts and I know the theory that the tin tops can hear you.  But they can hear a squeeling skidding back wheel too but that does not get their attention either. 

The 250 concept sounds good.  My ride is a Suzuki Classic Boulevard cruiser 805 cc (50 ci) it has a semi sports engine spec and it has a standard exhaust and sounds good and does not hiss like the sports bikes exhausts.  They are cheap and cruisey and mine has done 46000 without any maintenance other then filters and oil.

If I bought again (my use has changed to local with no touring away) I would give serious consideration to a Dukati commuter (they have a riding position for old farts not folded up like a pen knife).  The Duke is a lot lighter and better suited to local riding. 650 or 800 cc is more than enough power for a local buzz.

I try to keep away from peak hour traffic and do not ride at night and try to stay out of the wet.

Cheers Col

 

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Mad_Orangutan

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Mon, 7th January 2013, 4:40pm

As a new rider on my P1's i have found that the main issue that i have observed is drivers either cutting corners and nearly hitting you head on or people overtaking you and cutting back in too quickly.  But the reality is when riding a bike you have to be on your guard all the time and use the mentality that every body out on the road is out to get you. As long as you are constantly paying attention you are generally fine, just ride to your ability and comfort level. Remeber when you are on your bike your on your own.


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Mon, 7th January 2013, 5:18pm

Hello MO I think you missed one important thing and that is how you position yourself in your lane.

There are a few ways of doing this depending on the speed and the conditions. 

One of them is not NOT having a loud exhaust because that is only loud when you turn the wick up and not when you are travelling at a constant speed or braking.  (air con and boom boom music and phones make noise exhaust noise non effective) So forget that one for a protection device.

I am sure you can figure out your own way of doing it.

Cheers Col.